I see everyone failing to understand that it’s fine to masturbate. We are here to not masturbate to porn. If you use your imagination. Your fine and still rewiring your brain to be dependent on own and not on porn. It’s about changing the habit, not getting rid of it.
To me is all relate , if you are addicted to porn there’s a big change that you also addicted to masturbation.
Agree with Alex here. The goal is to not rely on porn or my own self pleasing. Masturbation is still lust.
What if the act itself is the addiction? Wouldn’t doing it without porn just involve me thinking of sex in the same fucked up way porn is wiring me to look at it?
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It depends on each persons goals. For me the porn is the damaging thing. That’s what makes me feel tired and ashamed and distracted. Rubbing one out staring at the wall never made me feel that way. But to each his own