What counts?

When you edge your still tricking your mind into thinking your having sex which is the most harmful part. Masturbating even for a short time without climaxing should still be considered as falling off but that’s just my opinion

honestly I would count that. if youre feeling the need to tiptoe or justify behavior as “not counting” then its going against the spirit of why youre doing this in the first place. no shame in having a moment of weakness but shortcuts like that are only gonna evolve in to full blown relapse

You’re still feeding a level of dopamine to your brain tricking it into thinking that’s okay

Bro don't do that don't masturbate try to get girlfriend and have romantic sex it's much better and it doesn't effect your brain

I don't necessarily think it's a relapse, but what even is the point of doing that?