Masterbation without porn?

I’ve been wondering this too

For me, the real challenge is overcoming masturbation. Let’s be honest, masturbating to a girl who’s 95% naked, twerking on Instagram, or posting pictures of her tits is no different from watching her fully naked on OnlyFans or Pornhub. And when we use our imagination, let’s not kid ourselves, it’s usually something explicit. Sure, if someone could genuinely masturbate to nothing but thin air, maybe that would be different. But let’s face it, most of us aren’t at that level. If you downloaded this app and are paying for a NoFap membership, chances are you struggle with this. It’s not something you can just switch off. Maybe in the future, once we’ve conquered NoFap, it won’t be an issue anymore. But at its core, NoFap is about being a man who controls his urges rather than being controlled by lust. That definition varies from person to person. If your main struggle is resisting porn, then focus on quitting porn first before worrying about masturbation. But if your issue is compulsive masturbation, whether it’s to nearly naked girls on Instagram or anything else, then that’s where your focus should be. At the end of the day, it’s about identifying what we struggle with and tackling it head-on. That’s just my perspective. I’m not an expert and I haven’t beaten NoFap myself, but that’s how I see it.

I’m trying to quit both. If you can moderate masterbating without porn then it’s okay. For me I start to compulsively masterbait for hours to avoid my problems I can’t moderate it. I’m 19 days clean of no porn and 2 days of no masterbation. Doing it for my future and my future wife.

I’ve felt that before. Personally for me I decided that it’s a slippery slope to go down. You start there and end up wanting more and more until you end up right back where you started, looking at porn